082 Bia Luna: Somatic Coach, Sacred Space Holder, Microdose Guide

In this conversation, Cam and Bia Luna discuss Bia's experience with the amphibian medicine kambo and her journey of healing. Bia shares her day-to-day life as a mother, a psychedelic space holder, and a coach. They explore the theme of healing throughout Bia's life and her previous experience in the hospitality industry. Cam and Bia Luna discuss their experiences working in the food service industry and their current roles as guardians for sacred plant medicines. They explore the challenges and rewards of working in the industry, the importance of community service, and the need for kindness and empathy in customer interactions. They also discuss the evolution of their understanding and use of different psychedelic medicines, the healing power of play, and the importance of finding joy in life. Bia Luna shares her journey of healing and self-discovery, including her experiences with ayahuasca and other plant medicines.

Chapters:
00:00 Introduction and Welcome
00:57 Exploring the Healing Power of Kambo
06:03 The Unique Experience of Kambo
08:00 The Importance of Boundaries in the Healing Journey
10:22 The Evolution of the Relationship with Psychedelics
25:06 Finding Joy and Playfulness in the Healing Process
35:03 The Role of Community and Connection in Healing
44:43 Conclusion and Gratitude


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Website: https://bio.site/bialuna
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/_bia.luna_/

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What is up everybody? Welcome to the TripSitting Podcast. I am your host, Cam Leids. Before we get started, make sure you're following us on social media at underscore TripSitting underscore and be sure that you're following the podcast so you don't miss any new content that we drop. And if you feel so inclined, give us a rating so we can please the algorithm gods and get in front of more viewers. Now, today's guest is an amazing woman who I had the pleasure of meeting. through some of the other podcast guests that I've had here. She is a microdosing coach. She is a somatic healer. She is a retreat facilitator. She's a spaceholder. And like I said, she is just an amazing human. Please welcome to the podcast, Bia Luna. You've been working a lot with kambo lately and that is a medicine that I feel like I've definitely mentioned and talked about on this podcast, but I feel like I have not gone very in depth. So before we even talk about what exactly it is that you've been doing, what exactly is kambo? Yeah, yeah. So kambo is a frog secretion and it's used more so for body healing. my understanding, you know, and it's, kind of known as the medicine that just makes you violently sick. And it's not wrong. And it also can make you violently well. But yeah, you know, it's a bit of a unique medicine. It's unlike a lot of, you know, other medicines I work with, it's not psychedelic, but it is psychoactive. And it has a really unique mode of administration, which is sort of these little burns on your skin that are called gates. And then they take the secretion and it's almost like this waxy material. And they set them on the gates. So then they're called dots, kambo dots. you know, of course, depending on various different spaceholders and how they go about it, I imagine and different bodies coming to this work, the experience may range, but you know, common effects sort of a series of experiences that feel a lot like having the flu. Yeah. And just really quick for the people that don't know, how do you create the gates on your skin? yeah, they're burned. And I remember before I stopped with kambo, the burn was actually my greatest fear. And a number of people were like, girl, that's the least of your worries. It's not that bad, can say too. Carrying that is like a deep fear. You know, I came back, I've been through it multiple times. The burn is just so quick, it's not at all, you It's like that, like when you go to the doctor's office and they need to like take blood from your finger, like it's just like a little prick. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Just a second's worth. And then you're in the rest of the experience. And once the kambo starts, you don't remember the fact that you just got burned. Right, right. Have you sat with kambo before? I've sat with kambo one time and it was right after a very, very long ayahuasca ceremony that I was up until probably four or five in the morning. And then I woke up and did kambo at 7 .30. So I didn't have a lot of time between then and I had purged so much during that ceremony that there was nothing really left for the medicine to do. That's the way I look at it because I didn't purge at all. Like I felt, I definitely felt a little sick for like 10 minutes and then I was fine. So I look at it as I think Ayahuasca just kind of cleared me out a little bit that that kambo didn't have much more to do with that moment in time. definitely would like to sit with kambo again. Totally. I love that. Wow. What an experience and barely any sleep going into it. And that's what I'm learning more about kambo too is, know, there's a lot of connection to the purge and what I'm starting to understand more as I dive into this medicine is that it's not necessary to purge. And you know, one of the beneficial things about the kambo is the host of peptides that are just great for various different. functions and processes in our body. What's a peptide? I'm still kind of wrapping my head around this. think, you know, it's sort of, I'm trying to think of it. Because I hear that word and I immediately associate with it like, yeah, like I know that's good for me. Like I'm supposed to have those, but I have no idea why or what it is. Yeah, you know, I in this moment probably can't explain truly what a peptide is very well. I'm still kind of understanding the science of it. I understand, you know, that there are various different peptides that are good for our hormones and good for our GI tract. And I don't think I could explain what a peptide is. That's one of those words for me. It's like the word alkaloid when someone's like, you're supposed to have all these alkaloids. I'm like, I don't know what the fuck that is, but like, yeah, like that sounds right. I'm not sure, but we need it. Yeah, yeah, give them to me. I'm excited though. I'm going to be training in January of 2025 to work with kambo. So circle back and I'll have a clear answer. Okay. when did, so currently where you're at in your journey with kambo, how did this start? Yeah. it's so funny. mean, my kambo, my journey with kambo first started with hearing about kambo. and then being like, that's a hard no for me. And this was a few years ago, know, maybe five years ago, I heard of kambo and thinking, you don't even trip. Like, it's okay. have all these medicines I'd rather work with. But in more recent months, I've learned that kambo is really a medicine that speaks directly to your nervous system. I'm like, I a little emotional. And I had an experience with something sort of made me snap in my life recently. had sort of a culmination of, you know, sort of trauma showing up in my body and various different triggers for it until one thing happened and I sort of peaked and I went into a somatic response where I was basically blacked out for this experience and I was kicking and screaming and growling and thrashing and just going through these waves of processing. And ever since, I kind of wasn't the same. I was having trouble with insomnia. was really, my nervous system was already pretty sensitive. I was just extra, extra sensitive, really emotional. I was having these really high highs and really low lows. And I started dreaming about kambo. And I had a dream just said kambo is what's going to be a healer for you. And I actually reached out to a practitioner because I had learned that Bufo was good for nervous system healing, which was another part of my amphibian journey that I've been on recently. But I asked him, you know, I've been called to kambo, is that something you work with? And it just so happened that the facilitator facilitates both amphibian medicines. So we sort of aligned this sort of healing container of three kambo sessions, which traditionally a kambo inoculation is three sessions within a moon period. It's called the vaccine of the forest. And went through those sessions leading up to my Bufo experience. And it was, yeah, really transformative for me. What was that? It was throughout May. So I had the three sessions in May. You know, the first one, was still in a really, really dark place, really dark place or shadowy. You know, the dark can be good for us, but I was in a pretty shadowy place. And, you know, I remember leaving that kambo session and I, I was like having road rage, which is like not, that's how I know something's like really off. And I remember thinking like, I don't know if this worked. And, but I just trusted, you know, I'm dealing with some deep stuff. I don't think it's a one -night process. So yeah, it took place over a month. And interestingly, in that month, I had an ayahuasca ceremony. I've been feeling called back to her medicine for about a year, and it just worked out perfectly that someone was holding a retreat on a Tuesday and a Wednesday, which when does that ever happen? But it was just happened to be my two days available. I had heard another kambo practitioner saying that Ayahuasca is the teacher and kambo is the healer. The two of them just worked so synergistically to really get me through this time in my life. Then you did Bufo afterwards? Yeah, I sat with Bufo last week. wow. Okay. You are just coming out of that still. Just coming out of that still. It was a great way to meet the medicine. I actually have one more Bufo session in July as sort of part of this healing container. And I'm devoted right now to not sitting with other substances. I can just really be with the integration of these medicines. Yeah. Is this your first time sitting with Bufo or had you sat with Bufo before? It's my first time. And similarly, I hadn't felt a call to the medicine until somewhat recently. I believe it calls you when you're ready. Yeah, I agree. And it totally happens. But it was part of being ready to meet these medicines that speak directly to my nervous system. And with Bufo, of course, we can go real deep. can meet God. You can have experience unity in so many beneficial things. But for me, that would have been a bonus. was really about speaking to my nervous And I think that that's something really beautiful about the amphibian medicines is that they have a nervous system. Plants can be so healing. Of course, I've worked with them for many years, but I think an amphibian is they have the nervous system quality that it can really meet us there in our own. So that was a unique experience I have with both. That's really interesting. I've never really thought of it that way, but that actually makes perfect sense. Yeah. Yeah. It can really meet us there. And it did, but all of them are so supportive. feeling really good. So what exactly do you do on a day -to -day basis? What does your life look like? my gosh. It depends on the day of the week. In addition to the work I do, I'm a mom. I have twins who are seven, Phoenix and Sequoia, and they're just like, that's my role in this world is to just really be a mom and to carry that maternal spirit and energy through all I do so that shines of course when I'm with them, but it flows into the rest that I do. man, mean, I'm in the psychedelic space with work and I constantly am growing and shifting and evolving what that means and it looks like, but I hold space with psilocybin and... So it flows between one -on -one ceremonies or retreats. So, you know, a handful of days a month are preparing for these. I'm holding, you know, a handful of private ceremonies a month. So there's a lot of time being in ceremony space and then preparing for it and integrating, having conversations with people who are going through somatic coaching to, you know, sort of shed any blocks within themselves that they have for surrendering to the medicine. beforehand and then the unfolding of integration after I'm constantly volunteering at my daughter's school. When I'm not, I'm a huge fan of solo travels. really love my trips to Nevada City or to get a yurt somewhere and constantly in my own process connecting with the teachers and there's days I lead. workshops in the Bay Area. So it kind of depends on what of those sort of top level things that I'm doing. it's that just trying to check off the to -do list, trying to the to -do list though. I'm really trying to separate the role of my to -do lists in my life. So I'm trying to do less and less and less. And I'm trying to do more of connecting with nature because it's feeling No, there's my days now and there's the days that I'm hoping to get to and involves a lot more nature. Yeah. I've, I've recently started trying to actually make myself to -do lists to make sure that I get things done because a lot of the time, like my day is very fluid and it can change a lot from day to day, like between the types of calls that I'm having, whether I'm doing a podcast, whether I'm, you know, want to go out in nature or work out or something, I've noticed that if I don't at the beginning of my day, like actually look at a list of, okay, here's what I need to get done. And here's what maybe I'd like to get done. Like if I don't have the general understanding of that, it's hard for me to be fully present with whatever it is that I'm doing, because then I'm always thinking of, well, what else could I be doing right now? Whereas, you know, at the beginning, if I'm like, this is what I need to do. Like this shit just needs to get done because it has to get done. And that's just how life works. Then. Then of the most important things, three MIT for the day, get those done, and then you can be sort of pleasantly surprised. Whatever else flows into the space and it's, yeah, it similar to just tackling, tackling and then let it flow. Yeah. So what did you do before you got into the psychedelic space? Yeah, that's a great question. I've been in the hospitality industry for 15 plus years. And before I got into the psychedelic space, I was owning a restaurant and did various different things. I became a doula for a while, but the restaurant ownership just really trips everything. You kind of have to focus on that entirely. So that was what was really consuming it. And then I went through a divorce and in the divorce, also divorced the restaurant. And that's when coaching came into my life. So for a couple of almost a couple of years before I started really focusing on psychedelic work, I was focusing on women's sobriety in the coaching space. And that was really meaningful to me too. I sort of made this prayer when I left the restaurant. I've always had this part of me that wanted to be connected to the healing arts. And so when I left the restaurant, I said, whatever I do, I want it to be connected to my own healing. And because of that, what I do is constantly evolving. Yeah. into my practice now, like, okay, this is the next mortality offering. Has there always been kind of a focus on healing throughout your life? Yeah, definitely. As you know, as a kid, I didn't quite understand what that meant, but there was always, you know, a thread of compassion and empathy that came through and mysticism. You know, as a kid. I was more attracted to healing in the witchy arts. I played a lot of games and potions and things like that. And then as I got older, started learning about reiki and plant medicine. Plant medicine came into my life fairly young. And so about a third of my life now has been devoted to understanding plant medicine arts. And I became a doula and just other space holders. I think, yeah, I've always been really So the healing, healing arts. That's awesome. With the restaurant, like how did you even get into that? I mean, a lot of it goes back to my first job. I was a busser in a restaurant in the tiny town that I worked for and it was just what was accessible. And I realized, you know, I was good at it. I can kind of see the flow and was hospitable. I like working with people. helping people have a good time and then moving to San Francisco when I was pretty young. I had a stint where I was a hairdresser. It wasn't for me. But moving to San Francisco, it was a great job, a great way to meet people. And I've always really liked that aspect of nourishing people. And it's something that I keep into my work today. know, feeding people is like my love language. Yeah. Well, there's definitely components of that that I get to keep. And then just after being in the restaurant industry for so long, my brain really was able to start seeing, you know, all the pieces. So I got really into restaurant operations. and I still do some support for restaurants in the Bay area that are looking for mostly front of house support and systems and things like that. It's nice to dip my toe in and eat some good food. Yeah. I, when I moved to Denver, I had, I had never worked in, in like food service, like industry before anything like that. But I moved to Denver. I didn't have a job at the time. And when I first moved here, I was like, I don't need a job. I'm just going to chill for a little bit and hang out and go skiing and things like that. And I was like, okay, I guess I need to start making a little bit of money. And I decided to try to get a job in the food service industry. And so I did that. My first job was as a host. I like a really, at a, at a brand new restaurant that was just opening up. And so, but it was like a, like a change. This was their third restaurant and it was a really busy restaurant too, like pretty, pretty well known in, in, the Denver area from, my understanding. And so there's a lot of hype around that opening and yeah, it was just busy as hell. And there's so many moving parts. and then after that, then I moved into like a bus or roll. Yeah, it was just a lot. Like I, I certainly learned a lot about myself, about the industry, about like how these things work. And somebody like one, somebody I know told me this recently, but like, if you really step back and look at the world, 50 % of the world is just serving the other 50 % of the world. And just, just, just through food, like just through that medium right there. I'm like, damn, that's crazy. But, There's a lot of rude people out there. There are a lot of people that expect the fucking world to be given to them. And when they don't get it, they throw a little hissy fit. Absolutely. I I've always thought that community service should like in serving in restaurants should be a part of something that you experience in. 100%. Yeah. my gosh. It's great. Entitlement waves through and then just no clue about how it actually works or feels or how to connect. now about all of all the logistics, things that could go wrong, like why are orders taking 20 minutes instead of 10, like things like that. And it was always funny too, because like as a busser, when I'd be then like busing tables and people like I could tell the people that were there that have worked in the food service industry before, because they were always the people that are stacking their plates nicely and like putting at the end and like just saying thank you all the time for the things versus the people like could not give two fucks that you were there, that you were like trying to help them with things and like actively not getting out of your way. Yeah. Yeah. It can be beautiful. And I got to give you some props in celebration for being a host in a busy restaurant. That I think that's truly the hardest position. And it's the one that gets the most shit. dude. They were every single like weekend, hour and a half wait times and people were pissed and we didn't take reservations either. So people would come in, you have to tell them like there's an hour and a half wait and they'd be like, can't you do something about that? Like, no, I literally cannot. Like, what do you think I can do? You're not even trying to hand me money and bribe me. what makes you think that I would bump you up? And you know, it's the people, maybe something could happen if you're nice about it. You know, it goes a long way. Gentleness and kindness goes so far in life, but in restaurants too, so it be nice. Yeah, in restaurants for sure. Thank you. So I did that for maybe four months and then I decided to move on to just being a beer tender at a local brewery. I imagine that's pretty chill out here. it's so chill. Well, so that was what I actually originally wanted to do, but because it's like, so like breweries and stuff in Colorado, it was really hard to get hired without any experience in the food service industry. So I was like, I fuck it. guess I'll be a host and a busser. then, yeah, now I have this job as as a beer tender. And I just do that pretty much once a week now. I still do it just cause it's super chill. Like I just get to hang out. It's it's a local mom and pop brewery. And so like, there's just a ton of regulars that, that, we serve and everybody's super nice and just See, that's where it's at. I love places like that. And it's nice that you can have a day, maybe pick up shifts. It's also funny too, because when you get to know the regulars and stuff, you get to kind of know each other and they'll ask, so what do you do when you're not here? And then I'll talk to them a little bit about, so I actually work with sacred plant medicines to help people with various things. And that started a lot of conversations and certainly sparked some interests from people. But I never lead out of the gate with those types of things. I have to let people ask me first. Yeah, and get a feel for the people. They're all super chill. Does it change your description of what you do based on who you're communicating with? I think my description of what I do changes just based the day, like it doesn't even matter who I'm talking to. Like I think every single day I think about if somebody were to ask me what I do, how would I like, what would I tell them? And I think it changes every single day, just cause I really don't know. Like right now I think what I usually say is I'm a guardian for sacred plant medicines. But like, you what the fuck does that mean? Especially to somebody who has no idea what this space looks like. And then I was like, okay, so here's what I like actually do on a day to day basis. Work with the treat centers. I have a podcast. I talk about them with people and you know, I guess it's just like education, but yeah, it's interesting. What is, what, what's your answer if somebody asks you, Hey, Bia, what do you do? It changes day to day, you know, and it depends kind of like what you asked about my day to day look like. It really depends on what's feeling really alive for me at the moment. But I think what's feeling. pretty good lately is I say I'm a sacred earth medicine facilitator, depending on the person. I'll say I'm facilitator. Yeah. A somatic trauma coach. I'm a mama and a ceremonialist. Yeah. There's so many different things and all of them are such a part of it. My business is just like, it's all these things, but it's all part of who I am and what I do. you know, it's one of those things where it's like, you have to have experienced it even to know what it actually is. Yeah. I take it so far, but yeah, all right. Sometimes I tell people I just sell drugs. Just in a complete lie, but it's also not fully the truth. Right, there's some words. I think it's illegal. Yeah, it gets the point across. man. So what is feeling really, really alive for you right now in Like what do you, guess, so besides the, Bufo, but you're also moving too, right? Yeah, I'm moving, blending families with my partner and we just got a beautiful home for us and my daughters and just really settling in. That feels so nice. It was brutal journey. was four months and 30 applications, a lot of nos, a lot of heartbreak. And I was, I was just about to say, Hey, let's take the summer off. And when we looked one more time and we're like, well, let's just file a couple more applications. And, know, this one was even outside of Zillow. had to pay and then we got it. Hell yeah. That's awesome. The moving itself is a trip. But what's feeling alive? I might get a little emotional. Is that I am alive. Life itself is really coming through right now after being in my shadow for, you know, really intensely for a few months, But truly for the better half of five years after a really traumatic divorce and various other things I was going through, it's been challenging, healing trauma in my body. And the thing that has kind of cued me into being really disconnected from myself is I'm a very grateful person. I feel a lot of joy in my heart and I have a lot of beauty in my life, a lot of safe relationships, community. I mean, the job that just lights my soul on fire and I was having trouble actually feeling it. And there's been a lot of physical healing in my body and a lot of things coming up to be felt and healed all at once. And I can say that this recent journey of amphibian medicine and my recent IAS ceremony and some lifestyle changes I made just completely switched things around. I feel just this abundant joy. I've been super silly again. I have all the time. I'm like looking at butterflies and rainbows and just like smiling nonstop. And I've been feeling really steady. And so I'm really feeding this narrative, going deeper and deeper into it, just reaffirming that I feel good and I feel alive and I can hold steady and I and of these beautiful, and I can let love in. It's a really big thing. it's, I mean, everything is feeling alive because of that right now in a really overwhelmingly beautiful way. Was there something that you like learned or something that like shifted in you that you think has now really allowed you to feel Narrative is everything. The words and beliefs that we carry about ourselves are really, really huge. I, when I was sitting with ayahuasca, I realized that the reason I wasn't healing was because I didn't believe that I could heal. And I had to really sit with that and move through it and allow myself to believe that I could heal on a physical, spiritual, know, emotional, mental level everywhere. And so that was really helpful. Just really changing that belief within myself. And accountability, know, their grandmother sat me down in the night two of my recent ceremony and was like, accountability time, We got to talk about all the ways that you're not in integrity. That was after the first night was like, beautiful, love, and I let love in. She tends to do that sometimes. honestly, it's either that way or it's the complete opposite, whereas like the first night she'll smack you around a little bit. And then Absolutely, absolutely. And it was just that, you know, so there was a healthy dose of accountability and acknowledging where I'm contributing to my own suffering, whether with habits or actions or avoidant behaviors or, you know, narratives or even just the words that I use. So Something that's really crazy about ayahuasca and like all of the plant medicines, but ayahuasca specifically. based on my limited experience with it is like, obviously like the term sit with the medicine is a very common term now. And I think I still go back and forth on when I use that or when I'm using whatever like, but Ayahuasca using the term like sit with medicine I think is really accurate because she will truly just make you sit there. in like that narrative and like not do anything else, like not try to fix it, see what you can do better, but like bring up some sort of belief that you have and you have to just sit there and just ponder on it. And there's nothing else you can do or else it's gonna just start getting really tense real quick. And like you might literally be sitting there for an hour just having to ponder, like I have this belief that I can't heal for example, or like I have this belief that like I'm not worthy of love. And you just have to sit there and really like feel all of that and feel how shitty it feels sometimes too. And like, you have to let it play its course by just sitting there, like with that potentially really uncomfortable, shitty feeling before then it can finally pass through you because it's just like years and years of like built up narratives and things that you've done that you haven't been able to let go of before you can finally be able to let go of yeah, it's so true. I mean, I've had ceremonies where I had to feel like all the hate I had for myself in my entire life all at once. that was brutal. It wasn't this one. But it's happened. And that's a lot. But I think sometimes, know, ayahuasca especially, but also some of the other medicines, sometimes they can show us what we need by showing us the opposite, which to feel our love, we have to go so deep into our hate or our shadow. the shadow side of it to really understand what's on the other side and to, you know, it's nice for us as humans to use what feels good as a motivation to get to the place where we're going. But sometimes pain is a really And so, but you know, even when Aya is kicking my ass and showing me my shadow, I still feel like she's holding my hand. Something that I learned during my first go around with, with Ayahuasca is like pain is temporary. Suffering is a choice. Remind me when you sat for the first time? November or no, September, 2022. So like a year and a half, almost two years ago now. Yeah. beautiful. And it also keeps unfolding. It does. It's still a continuous integration process of me having to remember some of the lessons that she gave me that first time and be like, okay, where am I? Where am I maybe not remembering some of those things and veering a little bit off course, but it's all part of it. Like you're not supposed to come out and be a perfectly healed soul. exist. It's always work and it just, I think it opened me up more to the fact that like, this is lifelong work and that's okay. And that's cool. Like I'm willing to do that and I'm willing to take that on. before it was more of, I just wanted to ignore it and thought that if I ignored it long enough, it would go away. It's a process, this healing journey. But I feel like these medicines really increase our capacity to be with it and to be. in the journey. Yeah. Do you and your ex -partner, do you guys co -parent? We counter -parent. It's not a healthy situation, unfortunately. And that's been a big experience for me, is learning how to let go of my attachment to the suffering around that and to have boundaries. I was a very non -boundary person. before my divorce and it's taught me a lot about boundaries and resilience, painful, but really helpful medicine. Yeah. Were your parents together? They divorced when I was about seven. Okay. And my dad, wonderful guy, pretty rough as a father. And as the years went on, we saw him less and less. just, he didn't really have the capacity. Both my parents are ancestors now. My dad passed away when I was 20. My mom passed away about a year and a half ago. And I'm still learning how to accept my mom as an ancestor. But for my dad, it happened pretty quickly. And our relationship really started to blossom about three years after he passed, which was also when I started sitting with ayahuasca. Gotcha. Was that the first medicine that you were like really called to? in a healing container. I had worked with MDMA, LSD and mushrooms in a festival and a party setting, before then. Mushrooms were a rough go. I had about one really beautiful first experience. And every time after that was just. I'm, I'm right now just coming to the conclusion that I don't think I can use any type of like even museum doses of mushrooms in like a recreational capacity anymore. I just, I, it's so unpredictable for me. And it's also just so, it's so inward that like, I don't want to be in a, in an environment with all of these external distractions when it's trying to make me go inward. Like there's just so much that I can't do, like MDMA I still have a great time with. two CB, is, a really, really great one, like for, for external stuff. And like, like I, I'd much rather now. Like microdose LSD, even then like microdosing mushrooms, if I'm going out to hang out with people, it's just a much more external feeling psychedelic. But yeah, I've, I'm again, this is like my relationship with mushrooms is, is changing. and it, and it continues to evolve and, yeah, I've just noticed that like microdosing mushrooms and going out is still not necessarily even doing it for me, but I know so many people that like love that they're like, swear by microdosing mushrooms and like, you know, being able to go out and do that. But, you know, everybody's different. Yeah, absolutely. I really feel you on that though. know, mushrooms, don't discriminate on when we do the work. And I've sort of welcomed mushrooms back into my festival life 10 years later now. it's, it's usually paired with MDMA, but I've still had, you know, like, I got to process this thing right on the dance floor. And I've had my partner hold me while I just move through. whatever it is the medicine's calling me to process. And it's taken a lot of building of my toolkit to be able to do that. 20 year old Bea couldn't, and that's why I said mushrooms are not my medicine. Now they very much are. I've met with you and it's something that I very rarely bring into the festival space and it's with a hippie flip. Yeah, with MDMA is very much a different story. I don't think I've ever actually done like a high dose hippie flip. like, and by that, I mean, I've only just like micro dosed anytime I've ever done that, which has been nice. but I do like, I honestly, I really do enjoy MDMA on its own. I love MDMA. I heard you talking about acid. I love LSD. That was my first love. that was, I mean, first time I Candy Flip was at a music festival and that was on like a lot of acid and that also pretty good amount of MDMA too. And then I think the last time I did like a really full dose of acid and like went out was at Lollapalooza in 2022, I think. And it was so much fun. Yeah. I am realizing more and more though these days that favorite way to sit with these medicines is just chilling. Yeah. My favorite way to sit with MDMA now is with my partner dancing in my living room. That's awesome. And my new favorite way to sit with LSD is like a day on the river. Nice. It just keeps getting more and more chill. But I do love LSD for music. I just feel like a big kid. And it's such inner child healing and like all my sillies can come out. Yeah. All the seriousness of life can just And it just fades away and I can just exist. And like, yeah, it's very, very much inner child work. Like that's always what I've been able to connect with super deeply with, with LSD. And now looking back on all the experiences I had in college, which were incredibly recreational and slightly reckless, but it was so much inner child work because I was such a, I was such a put together good kid that was so afraid to break the rules. And so it, it almost gave me this little like silliness of poking the rules a little bit and being like, why do I have to do that? Why do I have to do that? I don't have to do any of this shit. Like this is all made up. This one right there. this makes me want to go play with LSD. I'm about to see, do you like EDM, I assume? Yeah. Okay. I'm about to see Odessa on Saturday. Nice. Have you chosen your medicine for that? I think 2CB is going to be the medicine. Nice. are moments. 2CB is beautiful. Yeah. So I'm really excited for that. Odes is probably one of my favorite groups that I've seen. And the first time I ever saw them was the first time I ever did MDMA. And that was at Austin city limits in, I think, 2018. And it was, I mean, it was truly magical. and yeah, so I'm really excited now it's five years later, getting to see them again. And also now having so much more experience and such a deeper understanding of how these medicines work. I'm really looking forward to it. You've come so far in five years. I have, it kind of just happened to certainly wasn't on purpose. Totally, totally. I gotta say it's really refreshing to be able to talk about these medicines and the medicine of play with them. Because I think it can be really easy to get wrapped up and healing, healing. It's like dancing your ass off is healing. Yep. face hurts is healing. These medicines are really to expand our capacity for joy. Yeah. any capacity. Again, we exist as people. Like we're supposed to have time to just exist and enjoy that existence without needing to, you know, sit and go super deep every single time. Like this is, this is part of integration for me is just, you know, enjoying life and doing that. Like without that, can get so, you can get really bogged down and it's really easy to go down that rabbit hole. After I sat with Ayahuasca for the first I think I really went down that rabbit hole where I was like, no, like these medicines are just for healing. Like I just need to sit with these and like, you know, do all of the work and like only be focused on that. And it just gets to a point where I'm like, I don't think I'm having fun anymore. Totally. and a time. Space and a time. But I think these medicines want us to feel alive and to feel our joy and to not lose sight of that and make it all this shadow work. deep dive healing stuff. Yeah, there's a lot that can be done. We'll be at, we're getting to the end of our time here. So before we go, is there anything else that you'd like to share that's alive for you today? And then also let people know where they can find you. Yeah. You know, what's feeling really alive for me right now is just community and connection. Just reminding people that this healing path is not to be done in isolation. Reach out, be in community, make new friends. Thank goodness the people in this world are some of the best people. Super grateful to have connected with you. So yeah, just make sure you're reaching out. It's a good something I'd leave people with right now. It's what's feeling really alive for me too this year is just community connection, collaboration. know, the Mycelium Connects, I was meant to do it all together.-ho. And then where can people find Yeah. So they can find me on my website at bialuna .com. That's B -I -A -L -U -N -A. My Instagram handle where I'm the most active, it's underscore biya .luna underscore. And then I'll also link to these in the footnotes of the podcast. So thank you so much for coming on. This has been an absolute pleasure. I'm so glad that we got to connect deeper. And I'm so grateful. I so much love for It's been such a blast. Much love back. Thank you, Cam. We'll be in touch. That's all we got today. Thank you everybody for listening. Thank you for existing. Thank you for being you. Just thank you, thank you, thank you. Endless gratitude truly to anybody who listened to this. If you're interested in getting in contact with me to collab or sponsor an episode or just chat, shoot me a DM or send me an email at tripsittingblog .gmail .com. Thanks again and see you next episode.